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J-K floods: PM Modi likely to announce relief, rehab package

Toufiq Rashid, Hindustan Times  Srinagar, October 22, 2014

Prime Minister Narendra Modi is likely to announce a relief and rehabilitation package for flood-hit people in Jammu and Kashmir on Thursday. “Will be in Srinagar on Diwali October 23 and will spend the day with our sisters and brothers affected by the unfortunate flood,” Modi tweeted.

The PM is likely to meet governor NN Vohra and chief minister Omar Abdullah at Raj Bhawan on arriving in Srinagar a little after noon. Abdullah met Modi in Delhi on September 23 and asked for a Rs. 44,000-crore compensation package from the Centre for the devastation caused by the worst floods to hit the state in a century.

Modi will also hold meetings with hotel and houseboat owners and traders as he promised to spend time with the “sisters and brothers affected by the unfortunate flood”. Officials said that the Prime Minister may also visit a relief camp where dozens of flood-battered families have taken shelter.

Abdul Rehman and Shakeela Bano are among many deluge-hit families living in camps near the river Jhelum, pinning their hopes of rehabilitation on Modi as the bone-chilling winter sets in.

“We welcome this gesture, but Modiji’s Diwali will become our Eid if we get some sort of compensation for our losses,” said Abdul, a daily wage earner originally from Kargil.

Flash floods and landslides triggered by heavy monsoon rains last month flattened houses, bridges and dams, killing dozens of people and leaving thousands stranded across the state.

“It’s only October and the weather has become very cold. What will we do in the winter months? We have lost everything and don’t even have money for paying rent. Even a small room somewhere will do,” Shakeela said.

While many are hoping for relief, Modi’s visit has taken a political turn with separatist hardliner Syed Ali Shah Geelani saying it’s a stunt aimed at the next state election. “Everybody left us to die when the floods came. What will these visits do now?” he asked.

Local BJP leaders, however, said the visit was an attempt to tell the people that “the PM feels their pain and will not leave them alone in the time of trouble.”

Mainstream politicians from the ruling National Conference (NC) and the People’s Democratic Party (PDP) expect Modi’s trip to be more than a mere gesture. The NC is waiting to see how close the PM’s announcement comes to the proposed Rs. 44,000-crore package.

Abdullah welcomed the visit and tweeted his appreciation. “Let’s just appreciate that @narendramodi is in Srinagar on his festival & not at home celebrating as he normally would have been doing.”

PDP, the principal opposition party in the state, also welcomed the visit, but said that Eid would have been “a more appropriate time.”

“It’s a good gesture and we hope that the Prime Minister’s visit lends some pace to the relief and rehabilitation work in the Valley,” said party spokesperson Nayeem Akhtar.

This will be Narendra Modi’s fourth trip to Jammu and Kashmir since taking charge as the Prime Minister on May 26.

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All the people of that sad day, when Afghani tribal attack on the princely state, ‘Jammu and kashmir, a Dogra ruled and mostly Muslim majority population, already making moves to have a democratic style government, instead of old head of the state taking all decisions, including but not limited to taxes, levies, personal and community welfare and a strong police, not military trained force to keep internal peace and prosperity, as British were already controlling foreign policy as per their mutual agreement and a signed treaty. It was not Nehru government’s job to interfere into the internal affairs of the state. Even when that problem was severe enough to warrant some form of aid, if not military aid. not as yet duly acceded to either Pakistan or India. Nehru, simply cannot make a false move, his administration, just few months old, had its own internal and external problems to solve. One cannot imagine how severe these problems were. Hundreds of thousands refugees were getting marginal help. General hue and cry, mostly, created by Sangh, was nasty enough but members of Nehru’s cabinet and bureaucrats, were pushing his hand. As this history narrative is becoming a professional business, articles written then and critical analysis expressed or carefully but in partisan mode by many, into very popular books, on which debates are held, in private scholarly groups and/or in partisan journals heavily disputing each others on facts and fancy. Makes one wonder if, we should have a debate after the fact that things have happened and must be altered or changed for India’s peace, not Kashmir’s.
My suggestion is let us not dwelve upon the past, past actions or past issues getting bigger and bigger. The separatists are as much wrong as PM Modi. Modi is getting through a back door. He wants Hindus who were displaced and cannot find a simple way to return to their homeland. Modi promised them new, separate and self sustaining cities, at the cost of Indian exchequer. Modi does not own that money to be used to achieve his political goals.

and I am Sid Harth

  • (On arriving at Delhi) the first thing I did was to go and report to Sir Roy Bucher. He said, ‘Eh, you, go and shave and clean up. There is a cabinet meeting at 9 o’clock. I will pick you up and take you there.’ So I went home, shaved, dressed, etc. and Roy Bucher picked me up, and we went to the cabinet meeting.

    The cabinet meeting was presided by Mountbatten. There was Jawaharlal Nehru, there was Sardar Patel, there was Sardar Baldev Singh. There were other ministers whom I did not know and did not want to know, because I had nothing to do with them. Sardar Baldev Singh I knew because he was the minister for defence, and I knew Sardar Patel, because Patel would insist that V P Menon take me with him to the various states.

    Sardar Patel Almost every morning the Sardar would sent for V P, H M Patel and myself. While Maniben (Patel’s daughter and de facto secretary) would sit cross-legged with a Parker fountain pen taking notes, Patel would say, ‘V P, I want Baroda. Take him with you.’ I was the bogeyman. So I got to know the Sardar very well.

    At the morning meeting he handed over the (Accession) thing. Mountbatten turned around and said, ‘ come on Manekji (He called me Manekji instead of Manekshaw), what is the military situation?’ I gave him the military situation, and told him that unless we flew in troops immediately, we would have lost Srinagar, because going by road would take days, and once the tribesmen got to the airport and Srinagar, we couldn’t fly troops in. Everything was ready at the airport.

    As usual Nehru talked about the United Nations, Russia, Africa, God almighty, everybody, until Sardar Patel lost his temper. He said, ‘Jawaharlal, do you want Kashmir, or do you want to give it away’. He (Nehru) said,’ Of course, I want Kashmir (emphasis in original). Then he (Patel) said ‘Please give your orders’. And before he could say anything Sardar Patel turned to me and said, ‘You have got your orders’.

    I walked out, and we started flying in troops at about 11 o’clock or 12 o’clock. I think it was the Sikh regiment under Ranjit Rai that was the first lot to be flown in. And then we continued flying troops in. That is all I know about what happened. Then all the fighting took place. I became a brigadier, and became director of military operations and also if you will see the first signal to be signed ordering the cease-fire on 1 January (1949) had been signed by Colonel Manekshaw on behalf of C-in-C India, General Sir Roy Bucher. That must be lying in the Military Operations Directorate.

    Excerpted from Kashmir 1947, Rival Versions of History, by Prem Shankar Jha, Oxford University Press, 1996, Rs 275, with the publisher’s permission.Readers in the US may secure a copy of the book from Oxford University Press Inc USA, 198, Madison Avenue, New York, New York 10016, USA. Tel: 212-726-6000. Fax: 212-726-6440.

  • The Muslim elements had revolted and joined the Pakistani forces. This was the broad military situation. The tribesmen were believed to be about 7 to 9 kilometers from Srinagar. I was sent into get the precise military situation. The army knew that if we had to send soldiers, we would have to fly them in. Therefore, a few days before, we had made arrangements for aircraft and for soldiers to be ready.

    But we couldn’t fly them in until the state of Kashmir had acceded to India. From the political side, Sardar Patel and V P Menon had been dealing with Mahajan and the Maharaja, and the idea was that V.P Menon would get the Accession, I would bring back the military appreciation and report to the government. The troops were already at the airport, ready to be flown in. Air Chief Marshall Elmhurst was the air chief and he had made arrangements for the aircraft from civil and military sources.

    Anyway, we were flown in. We went to Srinagar. We went to the palace. I have never seen such disorganisation in my life. The Maharaja was running about from one room to the other. I have never seen so much jewellery in my life — pearl necklaces, ruby things, lying in one room; packing here, there, everywhere. There was a convoy of vehicles.

    Jawaharlal Nehru The Maharaja was coming out of one room, and going into another saying, ‘Alright, if India doesn’t help, I will go and join my troops and fight (it) out’.

    I couldn’t restrain myself, and said, ‘That will raise their morale sir’. Eventually, I also got the military situation from everybody around us, asking what the hell was happening, and discovered that the tribesmen were about seven or nine kilometres from what was then that horrible little airfield.

    V P Menon was in the meantime discussing with Mahajan and the Maharaja. Eventually the Maharaja signed the accession papers and we flew back in the Dakota late at night. There were no night facilities, and the people who were helping us to fly back, to light the airfield, were Sheikh Abdullah, Kasimsahib, Sadiqsahib, Bakshi Ghulam Mohammed, D P Dhar with pine torches, and we flew back to Delhi. I can’t remember the exact time. It must have been 3 o’clock or 4 o’clock in the morning.

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    Since this is Diwali and since PM Modiji has taken trouble to visit Srinagar to meet and greet the people who lost their homes, property and means of income, his visit might be considered as humanitarian, be it politically motivated or not. Most of the readers and those make comments, misuse their privilege by twisting the facts. Be that as it may, for their benefit and education in history of Kashmir crisis, I intend to make several comments, some short and the others long. Be patient.

    Nehru in Kashmir 1947
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    This complete newsreel with original narration shows Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru visiting Srinagar in November 1947. He is met by Sheikh Abdullah and the Maharajah of Kashmir. With him is Nehru’s daughter Indira Gandhi, who later also became Prime Minister of India. Later, Lord Mountbatten unveils a plaque honoring Jawaharlal Nehru in London. Uncut. Copyright Harappadotcom

    ‘Jawaharlal, do you want Kashmir,
    or do you want to give it away?’

    Sam Manekshaw Field Marshall S H F J ‘Sam’ Manekshaw, India’s greatest military commander, would have turned 100 on April 3, 2014. To mark the occasion and to celebrate a brilliant mind, we reproduce some of the articles had published over a period of time on one of India’s most-loved soldiers.

    Sam Manekshaw, the first field marshal in the Indian army, was at the ringside of events when Independent India was being formed. Then a colonel, he was chosen to accompany V P Menon on his historic mission to Kashmir. This is his version of that journey and its aftermath, as recorded in an interview with Prem Shankar Jha.

    At about 2.30 in the afternoon, General Sir Roy Bucher walked into my room and said, ‘Eh, you, go and pick up your toothbrush. You are going to Srinagar with V P Menon. The flight will take off at about 4 o’clock’. I said, ‘why me, sir?’

    ‘Because we are worried about the military situation. V P Menon is going there to get the accession from the Maharaja and Mahajan.’ I flew in with V P Menon in a Dakota. Wing Commander Dewan, who was then squadron leader Dewan, was also there. But his job did not have anything to with assessing the military situation. He was sent by the Air Force because it was the Air Force which was flying us in.’

    Since I was in the Directorate of Military Operations, and was responsible for current operations all over India, West Frontier, the Punjab, and elsewhere, I knew what the situation in Kashmir was. I knew that the tribesmen had come in – initially only the tribesmen – supported by the Pakistanis.

    Fortunately for us, and for Kashmir, they were busy raiding, raping all along. In Baramulla they killed Colonel D O T Dykes. Dykes and I were of the same seniority. We did our first year’s attachment with the Royal Scots in Lahore, way back in 1934-5. Tom went to the Sikh regiment. I went to the Frontier Force regiment. We’d lost contact with each other. He’d become a lieutenant colonel. I’d become a full colonel.

    Tom and his wife were holidaying in Baramulla when the tribesmen killed them.

    The Maharaja’s forces were 50 per cent Muslim and 50 per cent Dogra

    Source: HT

    …and I am Sid Harth


    PM Modi to visit Siachen to meet soldiers on Diwali


    PM Modi to visit Siachen to meet soldiers on Diwali
    “It’s my good fortune that I will be able to spend time with our brave soldiers on this special day,” Modi tweeted on Thursday morning.
    NEW DELHI: Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Thursday morning headed for forward posts in the Siachen Glacier-Saltoro Ridge region, ahead of his scheduled visit to be with flood-hit people of J&K on Diwali.”It’s my good fortune that I will be able to spend time with our brave soldiers on this special day,” Modi tweeted on Thursday morning.”Be it the altitude or bitter cold, nothing deters our soldiers. They stand there, serving our nation. They make us truly proud,” he added.Indian soldiers control almost all the dominating heights, ranging from 16,000 to 22,000 feet, in the Siachen Glacier-Saltoro Ridge region, where more soldiers are killed due to the harsh weather and avalanches than enemy fire. Arouind 900 Indian soldiers have been killed in the forbidding region since 1984, though the casualties have come down drastically in recent years with India building better infrastructure there. Pakistan has lost even more soldiers in the region.Siachen, often described as the world’s highest, coldest and costliest battlefield, is one of the eight points in the stalled composite dialogue process with Pakistan.

    India has been steadfast that Pakistan needs to provide ironclad guarantees and foolproof authentication of troop positions before any disengagement and final demilitarization of the icy heights. This is based on the Indian Army’s position that if Pakistani troops occupy the heights vacated by it, then dislodging them from there would be virtually impossible.

    Indian soldiers deployed on the Saltoro Ridge effectively prevent Pakistan from the west and China from the east joining up through the Karakoram Pass to threaten Ladakh. China, as it is, is expanding its footprint in Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan.

    Meanwhile, ahead of the PM’s visit to Siachen and Srinagr, Pakistani troops on Thursday again resorted to firing from across the international border.

    Pakistan Rangers resorted to small arms firing at BSF post in Ramgarh sector of Samba district at 4:10am, Times Now reported.

    READ ALSO: Omar Abdullah hails, Tharoor flays PM’s plan to spend Diwali with J&K’s flood-hit people

    After his brief visit to Siachen, Modi will travel to Srinagar to meet the flood victims. “After the Siachen visit I will continue with my scheduled visit to Srinagar to spend time with those affected due to the recent floods,” Modi said.

    (With inputs from PTI)

    मोदिजी : अरे मेरे प्यारे जवाणो, हिम्मत रखो. भारत के एक सो पच्चिस करोड स्वाभिमानी देशवासी, और मैं खुद दिवाळी कि धार्मिक, सांकृतिक, आध्यात्मिक, और सामाजिक उत्सव परंपरा छोड कर आपके पुण्य दर्शन करणे आपका साथ देणे को इस अतीव दुर्घट, दुर्द्नीय, दुर्लभ, दुनिया में आया हु.. बिलकुल डरो मत. आज सिअचन, कल चीन. बोलो, भारत माता कि जय, सब ख़ुशी से तालीया बजाव, जवान तालीया बजा नही पाये क्योंकी उनके हाथ के पंजे एक दुसरे का जब साथ करे तो चीपक गये,.भारत माता बोलणे को दो ऊपरी होंठ निचले होंठ पर मिले तो चीपक गये. हरे राम!

    The average winter snowfall is more than 1000 cm(35 ft) and temperatures can dip to −50 °C (−58 °F). Including all tributary glaciers, the Siachen Glacier system covers about 700 km2 (270 sq mi).

    Happy Diwali to all brave Jawans. Be merry and don’t worry. A new pipeline construction has already been inaugurated by Mr Modiji, to supply you with piping hot China tea. 24/7.

    Just kidding Mr Modiji. Have a pleasant visit. Please do not try to stick your tongue out too long. It might freeze.

    …and I am Sid Harth

    Sid Harth shaitaan (Unknown) replies to Sid Harth

    nice work but still it wud be better than chinese and porkis entering our land and preventing them to eat up more

    Sid Harth (USA)
    According to scholarly reports, not related to US government or their agencies, such as NSA, CIA, FBI, China is set to become Pacific Ocean political economy, their hegemony may be superior to Western developed nations. China does not consider this little uninhabitable rocky patch of land has any strategic or economic value. On the other hand, Pakistan and China has already cooperated on a road transport connection. All weather and secure. When China feels like bringing Chinese tourists to enjoy Diwali or Eid-e-Milad, they may just drop to say hello and bring some Chinese lanterns, military interns, few tanks, hot water tankers, Chinese fireworks, phataka-atom bombs. real and phataka-rockets, real or phataka, ‘phulzadis, real or phataka TNT. Everything is cool for Chinese. Why would Chinese want title and possession of India? All those poor, hungry and angry youth to feed and give them jobs in Chinese arms industry as cheap slave labor? Not worth the trouble. Modi can do it on the cheaper side. Modi loves youth. Poor and hungry, as long as they believe in Modi magic, Modi Wave, Modi Vision, Modi and Shah ‘jugalbandi.’ Have a nice Diwali. Don’t drink too much Bhang. You might start arguing with Modi brigade over non-existing jobs. …and I am Sid Harth
    Sid Harth (USA)
    Apart from physical control of the Siachen Glacier-Saltoro Ridge region, very costly to India, in terms of lives lost to the extreme weather and living conditions, it may cost more, in terms of environmetal changes. Not all environment scientists agree that it is not due to presence of large fighting forces on both Indian and Pakistani sides. The facts about human created deadly pollution may, if continued infrastructure development on Indian side, may affect the glaciers’, normal rate of melting in additions to tributary glaciers releasing their ice melts into… Siachen glacier is a source to Nubra river which later joins Shyok river. The glacier’s melting waters are the main source of the Nubra River in the Indian region of Ladakh, which drains into the Shyok River. The Shyok in turn joins the 3000 kilometer-long Indus River which flows through Pakistan. Thus, the glacier is a major source of the Indus[29] and feeds the largest irrigation system in the world. Environmental issues The glacier was uninhabited before 1984, and the presence of thousands of troops since then has introduced pollution and melting on the glacier. To support the troops, glacial ice has been cut and melted with chemicals. Dumping of non-biodegradable waste in large quantities and the use of arms and ammunition have considerably affected the ecosystem of the region.
    Sid Harth (USA)
    Glacial retreat Preliminary findings of a survey by Pakistan Meteorological Department in 2007 revealed that the Siachen glacier has been retreating for the past 30 years and is melting at an alarming rate. The study of satellite images of the glacier showed that the glacier is retreating at a rate of about 110 meters a year and that the glacier size has decreased by almost 35 percent. In an eleven-year period, the glacier had receded nearly 800 meters, and in seventeen years about 1700 meters. It is predicted that the glaciers of the Siachen region will be reduced to about one-fifth of their current size by 2035.[35] In the twenty-nine-year period 1929–1958, well before the military occupation, the glacial retreat was recorded to be about 914 meters. One of the reasons cited for the recent glacial retreat is chemical blasting, done for constructing camps and posts. In 2001 India laid oil pipelines (about 250 kilometers long) inside the glacier to supply kerosene and aviation fuel to the outposts from base camps. As of 2007, the temperature rise at Siachen was estimated at 0.2 degree Celsius annually, causing melting, avalanches, and crevasses in the glacier.
    Sid Harth (USA)
    Waste dumping The waste produced by the troops stationed there is dumped in the crevasses of the glacier. Mountaineers who visited the area while on climbing expeditions witnessed large amount of garbage, empty ammunition shells, parachutes etc. dumped on the glacier, that neither decomposes nor can be burned because of the extreme climatic conditions. About 1000 kilograms of waste is produced and dumped in glacial crevasses daily by the Indian forces. The Indian army is said to have planned a “Green Siachen, Clean Siachen” campaign to airlift the garbage from the glacier, and to use biodigestors for biodegradable waste in the absence of oxygen and freezing temperatures. Almost forty percent (40%) of the waste left at the glacier is of plastic and metal composition, including toxins such as cobalt, cadmium and chromium that eventually affect the water of the Shyok River (which ultimately enters the Indus River near Skardu.) The Indus is used for drinking and irrigation. Research is being done by scientists of The Energy and Resources Institute, to find ways for successfully disposing the garbage generated at the glacier using scientific means. Some scientists of the Defence Research and Development Organisation who went on an expedition to Antarctica are also working to produce a bacterium that can thrive in extreme weather conditions and can be helpful in decomposing the biodegradable waste naturally.